NOTE: Unlike my previous articles posted here, this is NOT a video game top-list. This instead deals with music. It may seem a bit out of place to post a music article on a video game website, but I'd like to think that there's nothing wrong with my posting this. Most video gamers are fans of music anyway, so I figure it's all good. (As the success of games like Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Frequency, and Audiosurf can attest.)
Fans of music know as good as anyone, that for every awesome artist that succeeds, (Or doesn’t succeed.) inspires, and creates brand new legacies of greatness, there will be about 15 other artists that are also succeeding, but you have no idea why.
All your friends talk about them, they appear on all the big talk shows, they sell piles of records, they win lots of meaningless awards, but goddammit! Are you the only one in the UNIVERSE who knows they really suck?!
No. You’re not.
Listed here are what I consider the 10 most over-hyped musicians, bands, and artists that ever were, many of whom are still working today, despite all odds, still getting far more credit than they’re actually worth.
And let me be perfectly clear: By overrated I don’t mean unpopular or untalented with either critics or fans. There are already a slew of Hip/Hop fans who will tell you that 50 Cent is garbage, and countless Rock critics to say that Nickelback is just about the lowest common denominator of the genre right now…So they don’t appear on the list. They don’t NEED to.
I’m not going to include a band because they suck, (Though many listed here DO indeed suck.) I’m going to include it because they’ve warranted undeserved critical praise from people who haven’t thought the whole situation through.
With that I now bring you…
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10 Overrated Musicians/Bands/Artists
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10. Dragonforce
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Dragonforce may not have a large mainstream presence, but their influence on the internet, especially among video gamers, is RIDICULOUS, and I can’t even grasp why. Dragonforce fans, I have found, fall back on three different arguments when arguing the greatness of their group.
“They’re a metal band for gamers, because they incorporate video game sounds into their music.”
No they don’t. What they do is incorporate keyboards that have been degraded down to 8-bit sounds, and you make the connection to video games yourself. Big goddamn difference.
“They’re the hardest metal band out there today.”
Shut up. That is a stupid and subjective statement, and is no basis for an argument. Just what the heck does “Hardest” mean in that context anyway? Do you mean they play FAST? Because they most certainly play their music FAST, but that isn’t enough to make them great.
“They have the hardest song on Guitar Hero.”
…Get out of here. If you’re basing your like of songs based on whether they appeared in a video game, and for that matter because it’s a HARD SONG to beat, then you’re permanently banned from music until you develop more nuanced tastes.
But whatever you think about Dragonforce doesn’t matter, because all of their songs sound exactly the same. Seriously. This isn’t hubris, I honestly can’t tell one Dragonforce song from another, and I heard two songs of theirs before their breakout album, Inhuman Rampage, and they sound exactly like every other song on the album. (For those wondering, the songs in question were “Black Winter Night” and “My Spirit Will Go On”)
Instead, I Reccomend: Machinae Supremacy. Remember what I was saying about Dragonforce supposedly being a metal band for gamers? Screw that. Machinae Supremacy is the real deal, not just incorporating video game-like instrumentation into their music, but actually covering a lot of video game songs in their concerts. They’re not nearly as FAST as Dragonforce, but that shouldn’t matter if you’ve got an attention span longer than a gnat.
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9. The Eagles
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I never got The Eagles. (Though I like Don Henley’s solo career.) The Eagles are one of those bands that get piles of praise from critics and fans, they’ve been touring for more than 30 years, and hell, their first greatest hits album is the #1 selling album in the US, with 27 million sold. Tales of their greatness just keeps getting purported over and over…and I don’t get it.
That faint noise you just heard was the sound of everyone on the internet all shouting “HOTEL CALIFORNIA!” all at once. Yes, yes, I know they made that staple of classic rock radio that stations have to play by law every hour or so, but is that ALL? Sure, they’ve had a few other songs, but you’ll be hard pressed to name them unless you’re a die-hard Eagles fan, in which case there’s really no point in arguing with you.
This is a band that hit it big in the 1970s, and as soon as the 80s came along did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, and still had the gall to charge $150 for tickets. I know there’re classic rock groups that’ll do that, but they have the distinction of having done a multitude of things. Apart from Hotel California I can only name 2 other songs of theirs. (Desperado and Life In The Fast Lane) 3 songs does not a “Greatest Of All Time” spot make.
Now let’s get one thing straight: I’m not saying the Eagles were/are BAD…I’m saying they’re overrated. They don’t have the staying power of more powerful classic rock artists like The Who, or Led Zeppelin. I’m sure you compared them to some OTHER “Classic?” artists of the 70s like (Blughh…) Journey, Kansas, or Supertramp, I could see how they’re more classic than them, but still. You get what I’m saying.
Instead, I Reccomend: Creedence Clearwater Revival. The Dude had it right, listening to these southern rock legends, and shunning the Hotel California band. They had more songs, and they were a hell of a lot more interesting to listen to.
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8. Sublime
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I go to a state college filled to the brim with frat-people, (Or in our own derogatory term: “Yah-Dudes”) and they pretty much make up a majority here. As such, whatever music THEY like tends to be the music you hear blasting out of an open dorm room at an inappropriate hour of the night. When said music isn’t the latest rap song about rims and bitches, it tends to be extremely lame white jock rock. Bands like 3 Doors Down, Nickelback, and Daughtry…but of all of these groups, the most popular of them all is Sublime.
For some reason people tend to equate Sublime to being some sort of legendary band akin to an old timey folk hero whenever the subject gets brought up. The only reason I can think of for that is because their singer died of an overdose of heroin. I mean it certainly couldn’t have been because they wrote good music. (If I have to listen to “Santeria” one more time I am going to puke blood.)
I’m only gonna say this once, so copy this down in case you forget it, alright?
EVERY BAND WITH A DEAD MEMBER IN IT IS NOT GREAT. If we had to lionize every band with a member in it that prematurely snuffed it, we’d end up with quite a few great bands, but also the likes of Hawthorne Heights, and Drowning Pool. (Shrill-voiced emos and Jock-rockey douchebags, respectively.) I’m not saying we shouldn’t care if someone in a band dies, I’m just saying that not every dead musician is Jeff Buckley.
More criminal than making some awful music though, is the fact that Sublime has exposed America to an extremely un-inspiring, tepid, and watered down version of ska music. And since they were successful when they were around, people equate them with ska music now! (As well as No Doubt, an equally awful faux-ska group.)
Sublime is not ska. You want to know what Sublime is? I’ll tell you what Sublime is. Sublime is a genre of music all they’re own. It’s for Hip-Hop fans who want to pretend that they like rock music. (Some of their later songs don’t even HAVE bona-fide instruments in them. Is that what you associate with ska? TURNTABLES?!)
Instead, I Reccomend: Any legit Ska band will do. You can’t go wrong with bands like The Specials, The Toasters, Voodoo Glow Skulls, or for something a little more well-known try the Mighty Mighty Bosstones. The closest ska’s ever gotten to having a REAL mainstream presence here in America.
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7. Post-80s U2
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Time has not been kind to U2. After the 1980s ended, that’s when it all started to go downhill. Sure, they released the song “One” in 1992, but apart from that it’s all paled in comparison to the stuff they’ve done in the 80s, and it’s all been pretty forgettable really.
For a band that supposedly is “always evolving”, their music past 1990 sure has been derivative of what’s the most poppy at the moment, and for whatever reason that’s always been enough for critics. No critic will dare to question them at this point, because it’s been established that they can do no wrong. Everything they release from now on is a masterpiece and must be lauded as such.
I think not.
Consider their last two albums. All That You Can’t Leave Behind was overproduced and sugary bordering on diabetic, but it was touted as a remarkable comeback for U2.
How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb was also overproduced and bursting from the seams with gigantic rock music clichés, but it was touted as a remarkable comeback for U2.
…Wait…
Even George Harrison has expressed his disdain for U2:
“You know what irritates me about modern music, it's all based on ego. Look at a group like U2. Bono and his band are so egocentric... The more you jump around, the bigger your hat is, the more people listen to your music... The only important thing is to sell, and make money. It's nothing to do with talent.”
I can’t be sure if he was referring to U2 after the 80s, but he was still right on. At it’s root, a lot the problems I’ve mentioned with U2 are traced back to Bono, who in spite of all his philanthropic deeds remains the pretentious, over-exaggerated creative force behind the group.
And that’s from the mouth of George Harrison. You’re not gonna argue with the guy who wrote “While My Guitar Gently Weeps”, are you?
Instead, I Reccomend: U2 BEFORE the 90s. While I did just spend a good several paragraphs ripping on them, the truth is that U2 had some awesome tunes, and their best work came out of the 80s, before they were huge. All their best efforts are there in lockstep from The Joshua Tree, (“Bullet The Blue Sky”) to War, (“Sunday Bloody Sunday”) to The Unforgettable Fire. (“Pride”)
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6. Aerosmith
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As I’ve mentioned in my list of bad cover songs, I’m not a fan of Aerosmith, because like The Eagles, I don’t get their ascension to legendhood. They’ve made piles of cash off of releasing white blues-rock songs that were about as safe and radio-friendly as one could get before people start thinking you’re a Christian Rock group, but apart from that they’ve really contributed nothing with massive staying power.
Oh, wait. The majority of which are POWER BALLADS. (If you don’t groan in distaste at the sound of that word there’s something seriously wrong with you.)
Aerosmith has no real staying power, they’re not a revolutionary or influential band, and in terms of how much they really rock they’re much more on par with one of those middle-of-the-road rock groups that middle class Volvo owners keep cassettes of in their car when they want to seem tough. Somehow that’s enough for critics, who seem unfazed by how grating Steven Tyler’s voice actually is.
I’m a little surprised that video gamers don’t hate Aerosmith more than they do, for creating two abominations in video gaming, (Revolution X & Quest For Fame) and made a Guitar Hero game extremely lame.
Instead, I Reccomend: Cream. Eric Clapton before the 1990s makes everything better.
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5. Oasis
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And now we’ve hit controversy. That’s okay. I didn’t plan on having a British fanbase anyway.
The only explanation I have for how Oasis’ songs and albums keep popping up on “Greatest Of All Time” lists is that British music listeners have no sense of proportion. You live in the country of origin of The Beatles, David Bowie, Elton John, and more, and yet there are people who think “Live Forever” is the greatest album of all time? Are you THAT easily distracted??
My only other explanation for Oasis’ status and success is that apparently British people LOVE to see musicians make asses of themselves. (As the antics of the brothers Gallagher Liam and Noel, Shane McGowan of The Pogues, and Pete Doherty of Babyshambles can attest.) Here in “The States” whenever we see a celebrity acting stupid we rightly CRUCIFY them, but apparently you Brits are content to just look at the situation and go: “Aww heh heh heh…That’s our Gallaghers!”
(Sidenote: If you are British and take any offense at my brief ripping on you, know that I mean no ill will towards you or your country, and feel free to make fun of me for the burger-chomping, environment-killing, maniac American that I am.)
I haven’t seen a music group get so far ripping off other people’s work since Vanilla Ice “sampled” “Under Pressure”, but apart from Liam and Noel’s ridiculous antics that’s pretty much the band’s crowning achievement. (Followed by their making money off of said theft.) Their plagiarizing-Hell, their GLEEFUL ADMITTANCE to it-of riffs from better songs by bands like T-Rex, Status Quo, and The Kinks…and then they have the gall to get pissed when Green Day makes a song similar sounding to “Wonderwall” at one point.
Critics don’t seem fazed by these misdeeds, and complacency towards it is a really BAD way of thinking. That’s the kind of thinking that allows shameless dickheads like Timbaland to steal from unknown artists and use the end result in a Sprint commercial, and it’s wrong.
IT’S WROOOOOONG!
Instead, I Reccomend: Blur. Back in the 90s, Oasis and Blur were in the midst of a rivalry over who was the better of the two bands. (To the point where Noel stated that he wished Blur singer Damon Albarn would get AIDs…but y’know. All in good fun.) Commercially, Oasis won that little duel, but most critics agree that Blur was the better of the two, producing much more refined and complex Britpop. And what’s more, Albarn, the creative force of the group, is STILL making good music to this day, which is less than can be said for Oasis.
“Shock Of Lightning”? More like “SUCK Of Lightning!”
…I won’t do that ever again, I swear.
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4. R. Kelly
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So what is R. Kelly so legendary for, again?
I mean BESIDES the whole sexual intercourse with a minor thing. What has he done to earn so much praise from his peers, that he would be seen improperly as some sort of martyr for race relations during the whole media circus that ensued during his trial?
“I Believe I Can Fly”?
That’s all? Do I have to defer back to the argument I made talking about The Eagles a few entries earlier? One song, no matter how “inspirational” it purports itself to be, does not a legend make. What else can we look at to defend the notion that he deserves all the praise he gets that causes him to make statements like this?:
“I'm the Ali of today. I'm the Marvin Gaye of today. I'm the Bob Marley of today. I'm the Martin Luther King, or all the other greats that have come before us. And a lot of people are starting to realize that now.”
A spokesman of his later claimed that that statement was “Taken out of context.” The only way I think that could be taken out of context is if immediately before that he said: “I’d have to be an egotistical moron to claim that…”
But does that statement have any credence? Marvin Gaye and Bob Marley had legendary singing voices, so clearly there has to be some sort of parallel between those 3, right? R. Kelly has the voice of a cherub, right?
Well…no. To be honest he sounds pretty damn boring and generic, as far as RnB singers have gone. (My opinion on the matter may be suspect, though, as I haven’t been terribly interested in RnB since Stevie Wonder.)
Instead, I Reccomend: Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Otis Redding, and Al Green were piles better singers than R. Kelly, and anyone with real musical taste would agree that they’re truly deserving of being considered “Greatest” material. But if you’re in the market for something a little more *AHEM* modern, I recommend Raphael Saadiq, John Legend, or Cee-Lo, the singing half of Gnarls Barkley.
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3. KISS
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The band history of KISS is almost touching in a way. It’s nice to learn that in a market as competitive as the music industry, even a foursome of whores can be successful. And don’t try to kid yourself by objecting to that statement, because that’s all KISS are. A collective of marketing whores, slapping their grill onto everything in sight.
Action figures, comic books, video games, trading cards, lighters, credit cards, pinball machines, collectible plates, lunch boxes, board games, shampoos(?), condoms(?!), coffins(?!), you name it, and they will probably stick the KISS logo onto it.
The only other thing they’re famous for is all the makeup, body armor, and pyrotechnics, which I guess were neat eye candy, but all it’s really for is to distract you from the fact that they don’t have any songs worth listening to. (“Rock And Roll All Night”, “Strutter”, and “Beth.” That’s all I could name, and I haven’t even heard the last two.)
It’s funny that during their heyday it was THEY who were commonly associated with Satanism, the occult, and all that rot thanks to the costumes and facepaint, when their music is just about the tamest excuse for rock music one can come across. Even in the context of it being party rock. But KISS’s rabidly misinformed fanbase (Or “Army”) won’t let you think that.
Whenever I see someone walking around in a KISS t-shirt or jacket, I think the exact same thing that I think whenever I see someone in a Texas Longhorns hat outside of Texas: “Are they REALLY fans of that, or are they just buying into an enormous hype machine?”
Instead, I Reccomend: Alice Cooper. KISS pretty much picked up where Alice Cooper left off in terms of early shock rock, but the only exception is that Alice Cooper was genuinely entertaining, and had real stay power. He didn’t have his own pinball machines, but that didn’t matter, because he was just plain BETTER, musically, and in terms of his influence upon music.
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2. Green Day
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The members of Green Day must have some VERY powerful friends in the world of music critique, since they’ve done so much irreparable damage to music in general, and no critic seems interested in calling them out on it.
Whenever I’ve heard Green Day spoken of in a “Greatest Ever” context, critics and historians will often bring up how Green Day brought punk music to a mainstream audience…as if that was a good thing.
With one highly overrated album named after dung, Green Day opened the doors for numerous overdramatic hacks. The shrill-voiced-yet-clean pop-punkers, (Sum 41, All-American Rejects, Simple Plan) the shrill-voiced-and-melodramatic emo kids, (Fallout Boy, Panic At The Disco, Dashboard Confessional) the shrill-voiced-pretentious-as-all-hell goth cliques, (AFI, My Chemical Romance, Alkaline Trio) and bands-that-little-kids-think-rock-but-everyone-would-rather-pour-battery-acid-into-their-ear-canals-than-listen-to-them….who are also shrill-voiced. (The Jonas Brothers, The Naked Brothers Band, Black Out Band.)
And for this they’ve earned a cavalcade of support from critics who don’t know any better, and droves of whiny teens on DeviantArt who enjoy writing long wordy fan-fics about Billie Joe Armstrong’s supple nipples.
Oh yeah, and there’s also the perpetual bandwagon-hopping of theirs. Did anyone honestly think that Green Day were legitimately trying to make a political statement with that American Idiot album back in 2004? (And how they made one of the most un-listenable covers of “Working Class Hero” I’ve ever heard?) Or were you like me and assumed they were just capitalizing on America’s increased interest in hating George W. Bush at the time, just like all that Vote or Die trash?
Instead, I Reccomend: Just about any old-timey 70s-80s punk band will do, because there’s something for everyone to pick from, whether it’s overtly political (The Clash, Dead Kennedys) upbeat, (The Ramones) or in the mindset that everyone on the planet needs to die. (The Sex Pistols, Fear, Black Flag)
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1. Tupac Shakur
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Unlike The Eagles, Aerosmith, and R. Kelly, I know exactly what made Tupac Shakur legendary.
He died.
That’s it.
Noone has profited from dying more than Tupac Shakur. (Maybe Kurt Cobain.) And he should serve as an example of just how far up it’s own ass the Hip/Hop industry is, especially today…because every rapper out there who gets big is trying to follow Tupac’s shining(?) example.
Before Tupac died, he was just another rapper. Sure, he was a key player in a territorial conflict more idiotic than the Iraq War, but apart from that he was just another rapper with maybe a couple of hit songs. NOTHING SPECIAL. And then he died, and the entire industry started seeing him as some sort of messiah. (Or rather a MARKETING messiah. I live in Fitchburg, Massachusetts right now, an inner-city area specifically, and there’re enough “Makavelli” shirts walking around to start a Tupac-themed department store.)
Whenever someone points out that Shakur might be getting a LITTLE more credit than he deserves, I’ve noticed that his fans have two tactics they fall back on: They call the original poster a hater, and list about 7 different songs, then they just sorta stop. As if that wins their argument for them. (I’ve only heard 3 Tupac songs in my entire lifetime, “Changes”, “Baby, Don’t Cry”, and “California Love”, and I thought they were half-decent at most.)
But really, all Tupac is TRULY famous for is the extent to which his corpse has been violated by his own record company. Y’know how many albums have been released since his death? Seven. SEVEN! And there’s an eighth one on the way, not even counting the numerous Greatest Hits albums he’s had. That makes 13 albums! There’re bands that are still going today since Tupac’s heyday who haven’t released 13 albums! And yet every year another one comes out, and hordes of fans push it to #1 on the charts.
Be honest, though…There’s no way he could have THAT much unreleased material, (Unless he’d been rapping since he was a fetus.) and even if he did, don’t you think there’s a good reason it was unreleased? Like maybe because it sucked?
The point that I’m laboriously trying to stress here is that for a guy who’s been hyped as Gangsta Rap’s equivalent to Jesus, there REALLY isn’t a whole lot of proof to back that claim up. (Heck, even Jesus’s fanboys aren’t as annoying as Tupac’s.) Yes, he died and a lot of people were sad, but that doesn’t make him great. Eazy E died. Big Pun died. Ol’ Dirty Bastard died. Who still gives a damn about them?
Instead, I Reccomend: Let me just repeat one last time: Tupac is not the greatest rapper of all time. He’s Hip/Hop’s own Ronald Reagan, a guy who has been given FAR more credit that he deserves by his fanbase. He’s certainly not better than 80s rappers like Chuck D or Afrika Bambataa, or underground rappers like MF Doom or Talib Kweli, or even his own arch-nemesis; The Notorious B.I.G. (Who incidentally ALSO died, but was not nearly as heavily marketed to the public.)
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Chances are good that there're some people reading this who disagree with me. That's fine. I encourage you to voice your opinions on this list, explain to me what ACTUALLY made any of the bands here great, (Because I'm genuinely interested in hearing the case for them.) and to please not get too offended by my words. For the most part I'm kidding.
Mostly.
A Pretty Good List
You're a fucking genius. This list is crazy accurate especially about KISS, Sublime, Aerosmith and Green Day. (Black Flag is my pick out of your punk choices, but I'd rather have Iggy Pop and The Stooges for a punk fix.)
However, don't make the common mistake about Tupac. He seems overrated because so many morons jump on the bandwagon and call him a legend.
For example, Heath Ledger was a great actor, but a lot of people didn't care about his movies until he died. They jumped on the bandwagon and faked sadness unlike other people who actually watched Ledger's previous films. That's why Shakur can seem overrated - because so many wannabes blew it out of proportion. If you actually check out Ledger's work, you can see how smart he is and the same goes for Shakur.
The reasons why Tupac is great, what made him something to begin with, is his message. He was the first to cut the BS and really make anyone from any walk of life see what life was like for him. He may not have been the first to rap about the hardtimes (listen to "Brenda's Got a Baby"), but he was the first to do it well. I'd research him a lot more and you'll see the philosophy he had about life. He was extremely intelligent and a good guy deep down.
Yes, he was still a gangster, but I'm not here to make him to be Jesus like the rest of the thug-wannabes. I'm just giving credit were credit is due. Tupac needs to be recognized for what he did and demystified a little bit because of what all the media and posers have hyped him up to be. He's not as great as the legend, but he's a well-deserving rapper. That's why I used the comparrison with Heath Ledger - the same can be said for him.
You really need to listen to more than 3 of his songs before you can make an opinion about the guy. You need to truly know someone's work. I myself am more into industrial metal (Nine Inch Nails, Rammstein) but I know a good artist when I see one and Tupac is the real thing.
Stiil, you've written a good list and you're right on target about the rest. I am sorry I wasted as much time as I did trying to get into to Dragonforce. I don't want to listen to anything they've made ever again.

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The Retro Game Zone
Thanks, Chase!
Glad you liked the article, and I'm thrilled to see a bona fide argument being made in favor of Tupac instead of...well...everything else I've seen.
Though to say that he was the first to do rapping about hard times is kind of a subjective statement, isn't it? If y'think about it, technically N.W.A. may have been the first rappers to rap about hard times. (Though probably with a lot more needless profanity and threats to policemen.)
But you're right about how I really should have listened to some more Tupac music instead of just the three I'm familiar with. I'd give him another shot, but I'm afraid it may be a little too late at this point. In the section of my brain which is forgiving of new things, I fear the portion reserved for gangster rap music has been atrophied away after being exposed to mainstream garbage like 50 Cent, Chamillionaire, Soulja Boy, et al.
I like the Heath Ledger comparison though. While it may be true that he was great in The Dark Knight, I still remember him in awful films like A Knight's Tale and The Patriot. Unless his next posthumous appearance in The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus convinces me otherwise, I'd say he's still not Jesus.
Again: Glad you liked the list. I'm thinking that writing about music is the niche I'm looking for, as it keeps getting better received than what I've written of video games.
You're right!
I'm glad you see that I took the time to back my claim. I guess that kind of was a subjective statement. I meant he was the first to do it well, but I guess there were others I forgot about. Wow, you're right about N.W.A. I definitley forgot there were others! I know what you mean about mainstream garbage like Soulja Boy and many others. For a rap fix, you may be better of listening to Snoop Dogg himself.
Anyway, I took a look through your past posts and realize you've written very high-quality blogs about games, so don't give up on that yet. However, you may be right about finding a niche in music, because you're dead on accurate and you're not biased. Keep the good work!

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lol, i posted without
lol, i posted without reading your comment, my coment has almost the same message in it
Whoopsie.
I've just realized that I made mention of another article I've written that I haven't even bothered to post here. (About bad Cover Songs.)
Anyone wanna see that posted here in the near future?
Yes post it. "Political
Yes post it.
"Political correctness is tyranny with manners."
That definitley sounds
That definitley sounds interesting. Post please!

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The Retro Game Zone
I'm not really a big music
I'm not really a big music aficionado so I don't really feel too strongly about any one band or music in particular, but I enjoyed reading this. It was a well thought out, interesting list. *five stars*
"Political correctness is tyranny with manners."
Amazing List
One of the best lists on any topic I've read in a while. I agree with pretty much the entire list, but I've never really been a big fan of mainstream music. I agree 100% with the part about Sublime. I listen to a LOT of ska, and I have to say that Sublime is a horrible excuse for ska. The only song of theirs that I like is "What I Got" and I still wouldn't classify that as ska. Speaking as someone who listens to all three generations of ska frequently, I have to say that other ska-enthusiasts give them way too much credit, a large part of the undeserved credit being that they are referred to as "ska." Anyway, great list, and yeah, you should definitely post the bad cover song article.
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Everything happens for a reason. Except for clowns. I mean, seriously, what the hell?
I have to agree, this was a
I have to agree, this was a great post ^^ glad u made it! :P
when I read the title, I thought "hmm, I'm gonna read this, and I bet there'll be something in there that will offend my fine tastes in music, and that just won't do! Leeeeroooy Jeeeeeeeeenkins!", but when I actually read the article, that didn't pop in my mind one single time... prolly 'cos I think the same! ^^ Well, mostly :P you mentioned some bands that I just didn't know they had such an impact on american audiences (I'm portuguese, so... :P), but even those, I've heard before and thought they weren't anything extraordinary :P
of course, there's one or two bands I'd have to disagree (and not a lot, I might add!), like U2 (who I think still had something goin' on after hitting the 90's, even if didn't have anything to do with their previous work... then again, I'm just not a big U2 fan :P), or Greenday (who I never really considered a punk band anyway ^^ their songs I like the most are prolly the unpunkiest punk songs EVER!), but I believe you were spot on with the likes of Aerosmith, Oasis, KISS, R. Kelly, and dare I say it, Tupac Shakur :S (although it wasn't actually him that benefited from dying, lol, but all of those around him that promoted such an enormous marketting machine... talk about making a profit from dead ppl!).
you did good on stepping forward and writing that, despite what some might say :P it was an entertaining read, and a lot of it was just the cold hard truth =) and if you ask my opinion, there's a whole lotta bands that should be on your list... my vote goes for Korn (and I was once a big fan of them). It just seems they're releasing the same album over and over again after Follow The Leader O_o if U2 are touted as a band who is constantly evolving, then Korn are boldly stating there's no such thing as Evolution! such a shame...
PS: please, post your writings on the cover songs, I'm curious about your opinion ;)
Nice list
Nice list, and I agree mostly with Dragonforce. Makes me sad because they were very rarely known and I loved them BEFORE the whole GH3 bullshit happened. All of a sudden it was "OMG DRAGONFORCE THOUGH THE FIRE AND FLAMES OMG". I'm not one of those dumb people who hate a band because they've become popular, but I am a person who gets worn out on things because they're popular. And Dragonforce, unfortunately, was one of those things. Newest album was good, but I haven't listened to it since release.
But one thing, no Metallica? Metallica is, in my opinion, the most overrated band of all time. They're not bad, but they're not as good as people put them out to be. Even today, I think their music just doesn't have the touch it had so many years ago. Yet people think they're the best thing since the Nintendo Entertainment System. Just my opinion though.

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I think that, by putting
I think that, by putting Metallica and the NES in the same sentence, you pretty much invalidated your entire argument :P
and yes, Metallica has been through a "not-so-good" phase these past few years, lol. but listen to Death Magnetic. If you can get pass the messed up equalizer levels (which, to be honest, I don't even notice O_o), you'll see there's a good album there. still not as great as, say, And Justice For All, but still a mighty return to what they once were :P
Man, it's funny how some people see things.
The first band that popped into my head upon seeing this was Metallica, then Nirvana. I'm really surprised they weren't on here! Same with Dave Matthews Band. Same with the BEATLES (not that I dislike the Beatles, but they are immensely monstrously titanically OVERRATED).
But yes...Kirk Hammett's "technical prowess" on the guitar has been an object of my ire for about 5 years. As a guitarist, I have to say that the guy is not only a mediocre-at-best player, but there is not a half-cocked faux-metal fan out there who doesn't feel entitled to shout his praises in ANY musical discussion. Once and for all, KIRK HAMMETT IS MEDIOCRE AT BEST, AND WOULDN'T EVEN CLAIM TO BE BETTER THAN THE MAJORITY OF OTHER METAL GUITARISTS. So stop fellating him and expand your tastes. There are TREMENDOUSLY superior guitar players, metal or not.
NIRVANA!
Seriously, how can Nirvana not be in a list of overrated musicians? Yea, whatever, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is awesome, and "Breed" is okay, but has anyone heard of their other songs? They are all either mediocre or just plain crap. Oh, and BTW, Prattinator, I don't think that the Beatles are overrated. Just saying. And the only problem with the otherwise-awesome band Metallica is that I stop paying attention to their songs after 3 minutes. They should really cut down the lengths of their songs, but not by taking out their RADD guitar solos.
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Well, I have to actually disagree with you.
Not because you aren't entitled to your opinion, but because the Beatles ARE overrated. It is a fact. They are probably the very thing from whence the term "overrated" was spawned. If they aren't overrated, then what is? Shit, I don't even think Christ beats them out. They are WORSHIPPED, my friend. In a totally serious way that defies the barriers of hyperbole or metaphor, WORSHIPPED. I don't dislike them, I actually think they are great. Yes, they were very influential, to say the least, and yes, they wrote catchy, memorable songs, as well as masterfully definitive odes to the era in which they lived. But they are not the ultimate purveyors of awesome profundity, smiths of the very blade of greatness with which all others have cut through lameness and fail. The media's constant fellatio of those four individuals is grotesque and unwarranted.
Great blog!
I agree with all of that, especially KISS...
Good list except...
I agree with everything you said up until 2Pac, seriously, even though he is a bit overrated the man was a lyrical genius, and im not even that big of a fan of him. The reason he was so popular (besides his death, ill have to give you that one) was that he rapped about different things then just money & bitches. He really inspired allot of people back in his day, now it is true that his death fueled his record sells like gasoline but thats also due to the fact he was so liked when he was still alive.
Also, the reason why there where so many albums released after he died was that the man recorded over 3 songs a day when he was alive, think about that for a minute, 3 songs a day, thats allot to write/record. Therefore there where so many unreleased songs when he died that the record company decided that it would be a huge waste to just throw them away, so they released them. Of course they profited from them as well, otherwise they wouldn't release the songs, but most of the profits from the albums went to 2Pac's family.
With that said you still got a good list going on, just disagreed on that statement.
While I'm willing to give
While I'm willing to give you everything else, I'm not really so sure I'm sold on the front of writing about things other than money and bitches, because a lot of the rappers I mentioned (Except I just realized: B.I.G., doh.) wrote about things other than money and bitches too.
I hold a lot more regard for Chuck D of Public Enemy than I do for Tupac, for instance, because he wrote about politics and social issues, and for that matter wrote about them like he was genuinely informed on the topic. (None of that Kanye West "George W. Bush doesn't care about black people weirdness.)
But that's me. Glad you liked the rest of the list, though.
You totally made up for the
You totally made up for the Tupac thing with this comment. Chuck D (and all of Public Enemy for that matter) was great and props for the Kanye West statement. That guy needs to come back down to earth.

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"I mean, you can jack off
"I mean, you can jack off really fast as well - that doesn't make it good."
- My friend, on Dragonforce's playing style.
Showmanship
The flaw as I see in your friend's argument is that music isn't "jacking off". And that fast, technical pieces of music have been a valid form of musical expression for quite a while. "Cheese-ball" solos, as I have heard them called, are meant to showcase the technical skill of the musician. Just look at the compositions by Jean-Baptiste Arban, Herbet L. Clarke, etc.
Hmmm...
Maybe you should talk about Gene Simmons and not KISS. Gene Simmons is the one in the band that always wanna makes money. The make-up was a great idea. Sorry but they are well known because of their album Alive! Which showed that the band is a lvie band and not a studio one. (Majority of their songs are better live) And if nowaday they are kind of a cover band of themself bakc in the day they were huge. Ace Frehley was one of the first to use tapping and is a true artist, Peter Criss had an amazing voice and so Paul Stanley. Eric Carr is one of the best drummer ever and when I heard him for the first time I didn't even regret Peter Criss. Vinnie VIcnent was one hell of a guitarist too even if he was a shitty guy. Mark St.John was great too and so was Eric Singer on the drum in the 90s (Also played for Alice Cooper and Black Sabbath).
I agree
Especially on Dragonforce and 2Pac. Dragonforce: Pretty good guitar players, but the music sucks so bad.
2Pac isn't really a good rapper too. There are much better lyrics from other rappers.
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This thing is unbelievably accurate.
You aced it
And I'm really happy that Machinae Supremacy gets mentioned (as one of the good things).
Very good list, i was
Very good list, i was honestly expecting to see some glaring errors on this but you pretty much got everything right to the letter sir.
Loved the bit on Dragonforce, I did like them when I first heard them since i'd not heard many bands play ridiculously fast. However as I looked into it more deeply there are a lot of bands who do this a lot better and for real. I have heard a lot about Dragonforce cheating horribly on their production and speeding up guitars and such. After seeing them at download 06 this confirmed that they weren't actually that good at all.
Can't help but think your opinion on the eagles was somewhat shaped by the Big Lebowski ;) was nice to see a reference :D
As for U2, I have always hated them, the quote on the ego over musicianship was so true. Oh and be sure to check out Bill Bailey doing some stand up about The Edge's guitar playing. Bloody Hilarious and somewhat true. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EDuK46ZqFM
Aerosmith, Kiss, Guns and Roses etc etc are all and will always be utter shite...end of.
Thing i'd pick you up on is the Oasis thing.
Im a Brit, and I'm hardly a fan of Oasis but I do like a lot of their singles. I'd agree on them being overrated, but the generalisation on the British folks is something i'd like to clear up :P
The celebrity culture over here is a lot different. Mainly because we don't have many bona fide celebrities over here, and the real celebrities are more like institutions (Some of our older and more revered actors for example). The result is that we tend to crucify reality tv "stars" and people who have loose connections to actual famous people.
Its not that we see Noel getting punched in the face, or Pete Doherty getting coked out of his mind again and look at it with a degree of adoration, not even in an ironic way. It's more that we don't really care and would rather castigate Jade Goody for being a fat-loud mouthed waste of blood and organs. At least the musicians can be credited for actually being famous for a reason.
Thats my take on it anyway. And for the record I think Pete Doherty should be removed from the country via controlled explosion...the prick.
Good List
I generally agree with the list. I'm a Brit and I personally can't stand U2 or Oasis. Dragonforce has 1 or 2 good songs, but every song is exactly the same, it gets boring quickly. As for KISS, I'm not really a fan of the band, but they are fantastic live when I saw them at Download Festival.
cool list
theres are just a few bands on there i've never heard of before
i think the most overrated band of all time is radiohead, radihead to me is like the wii, the wii is a great console, radiohead is a great band, the only thing the wii lacks is good games, radiohead lacks good songs. however the wii will occasionally have and incrredible game that might make you want to stick around while radiohead will occasionally have an incredible song that will make you want to stick around also.
Words- should've sent...a poet.
This list was so mysteriously spot on, I had to copy it into a word file and save it.
I can't put into words just how shocked I am to see that someone still has an idea of what good music is; I really honestly though most of us were dead.
Major kudos to you, sir. You've clearly done your homework, and have a LOT of knowledge to back up your claim. I salute you.
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I second that! Con_Smith is
I second that! Con_Smith is right. I was about to give up on America's general taste of music and then I read this blog. I guess there's still hope for us Americans afterall.

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You Forgot to mention how
You Forgot to mention how dragonforce got caught speeding up their music in the studio, thus proving they really aren't as fast as we all believed. And have you seen them live??? wow absolute crap
I'm Surprised that Nirvana wasn't on there at all, they're the most over-rated band in history to me
Why No Nirvana
Lots of people suggested Nirvana after posting this, but my reason for not including it is I feel that unlike much of the rest of this list, Nirvana have made a positive contribution to music as a whole.
In that they were the group that essentially drove a stake through the heart of Hair Metal. (A genre of music that I'm sure noone past the age of 40 misses.)
And I hadn't heard about Dragonforce speeding their music up like that. That's....pretty sad.
Guys, let's be real:
Guys, let's be real: Nirvana's great. They're one of those bands that fit all moods. You can jam to the same songs you relax to. I guess they seem overrated because there's horde of wannabe out there that cling to their work because of Kurt's death and that is sad. However, pushing past all the douches, Nirvana is still solid music when comes down to it. I like the fact that Mr. Vorhias mentioned that they drove a stake through the heart of hair metal (and glam rock for that matter.)

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Dragonforce...
Needs an ultra beatdown of their own for recording the same song OVER AND OVER.
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10. Never heard of this
10. Never heard of this band.
9. Who the fuck is eagles?
8. Sublime? I think I heard a song of them and they sound just like any other new band.
7. Post-80s U2??? is that a band?
6. Aerosmith is good, but not as good to be sucking boobies or nothing special.
5. Oasis? I thought this band was dead.
4. R. kelly is legendary for peeing in a girls face. Not the music.
3. I thought Kiss was the worst and pathetic band in the world. I take them more as a joke, but this joke has no funny part to it.
2. Green Day used to be good, too bad they change their image just to get money. Just like Slipknot, Mudvayne, etc. Bands should stay with their original looks and style.
1. That nigga became famous because he got shot. No big deal. Let me guess, 50 cent will get shot and he will becomes the second Tupac?.... Give me a break.
Nice list and people needs to listen to real music. (not watching MTV and BET)
you must understand that we
you must understand that we can't see if you are black or white. If you are white then you are racist
You don't need to see if I'm
You don't need to see if I'm black, yellow or white. Do you really need to see the person to be able to say who's racist or not?
Too bad you never lived in another country, probably that will help you to stop being so close minded. Yeah is obvious where you from, since USA still thinks about racism issues.
Let me guess what you were trying to say
If I was white, it be racist?
If I was black, it be cool of what I just said?
If I was hispanic, nobody cares because I was in between?
If I was asian, probably people will laugh at me
In the end, you are racist and I can see that. You judge people by color and what they say.
Ha! Shows what you know,
Ha! Shows what you know, racism is over in the states!
"Political correctness is tyranny with manners."
Exactly!
Exactly!
...Give me a break... -- God
...Give me a break...
-- God Bless.
Until you know the
Until you know the difference between british and english you need stop writing. scots dont like oasis.
your list is interesting
your list is interesting but, I don't agree with your #1, sort of. Fact is that Tupac was huge even when he was alive. and so was biggie. think about it, in the rap industry people are always fighting each other and people are constantly dying over some conflict, if tupac wasn't big when was alive do you think he would have gotten the amount of fan support that he did? not at all. Think about it in more contemporary terms, If a not so good rapper dies right now, like Mike Jones would any one really make a big fuss (or care, for that matter...)? Not as much as someone like Eminem would for example. If Eminem died the media would be all over his death like sweet on cake, and the combined force of fans and media glorification would create the same kind of fandom Tupac got at his death.
Also the whole eastside-westside conflict was glorified because biggie was on eastisde and Tupac was on westside (these two being the 2 of the biggest rappers at the time) so the conflict (which I'm pretty sure existed before they got famous) was glorified because of them.
But I do agree with one aspect of your argument, that Tupac did obtain many fans after he died. Hell, there are "fans" that don't even know he's dead and think he's still releasing CDs, little do they know its the companies just releasing stuff that wasn't previously released and "greatest hits" albums. Sadly people are stupid like that sometimes. My point is that I do fell that his death and "afterlife" is overrated but not his life and actual career, to us, because we've lived through its prime and downfall, rap of the mid-90's looks stupid to most people no because of the way the culture was set up but it was actually pretty great actually if you consider the music was decent compared to how hip hop is now, culture and all T_T
^^; just speaking as a fan. although I personally like biggie better. old-school rap ftw! :D
The following statements are
The following statements are full of win:
"My point is that I do fell [sic] that his death and "afterlife" is overrated but not his life and actual career..."
"...rap of the mid-90's looks stupid to most people no because of the way the culture was set up but it was actually pretty great actually if you consider the music was decent compared to how hip hop is now..."
"old-school rap ftw!"
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Great list!
Now, my approval of you list may also come out of a certain bias against a number of bands on it, but given that I do like Greenday, Sublime, and Dragonforce to a certain extent (Both Greenday and Sublime do have a few good singles, and though Dragonforce basically has 1 song, I can listen to that 1 song over and over again :S and still enjoy it), I think your assessment of overrated-ness was probably fair.
Also, I think making alternative recommendations for each band was a really nice touch (Though I think the Voodoo Glowskulls are probably one of the worst Ska-Punk bands I have ever heard. Seriously, I'd listen to Sublime all day if the only alternative was them).
Not bad.
It's a pretty good list indeed, you make good arguments and make for a pretty entertaining read. Although I disagree about Dragonforce and Aerosmith, but that may be due to the nostalgia factor that they have for me, (Dragonforce was one of the first big bands I ever saw live, they weren't that great, but I just loved most of their songs, and that was before I was aware that they were used for gaming video's so much.), and Aerosmith, well, I saw them last year, and they were awesome.
Other than that, I agree on all the bands you said here. I can't stand Green Day, Tupac's music sucks, Kiss is.. wtf?, post-80s U2.. well, watch the South Park episode "More Crap" and you'll get it.
I can't stand bands where one person is centered and the rest doesn't matter at all. They're just there because one person can't play 2 guitars and a drum at once.
Take for example, Angels And Airwaves, the band is all about Tom, the lead singer, who got his fame in Blink 182, I saw them this year as the headliner at a show here in Belgium. At a certain point, everyone went off the stage, except for Tom, he started singing his old Blink 182 songs, during the entire show he only mentioned his own name, the rest didn't matter, although they were all far more talented than he was, and when you see their album covers and T shirts, you notice how everything, once again, is about Tom. It's the same shit that Bono keeps doing.
This is a great post, man.
I don't totally agree with what you said about Tupac, though. While I agree that he is certainly overrated by his numbskull fans, I'd like to defend him as I defend Dave Chappelle. Your argument against Tupac sounds VERY similar to the one levied against Chappelle (though Chappelle, of course, is not dead, he just quit his show and took himself out of the limelight).
About 4 or 5 years ago, when Chappelle's Show was just starting to hit it's moderately popular moments on TV (before the crazy success his DVDs apparently had) I was hearing the phrase "RICK JAMES...BITCH" at least 30 times a day. It seemed as if every jackass, retard, and dipshit felt entitled to a slice of the attention this phrase garnered, and I got pretty irritated with it. First of all, I was probably one of the 4 guys I knew who even GOT the joke. Not that this bothers me, as the joke was still funny even without the reference.
But then I kept on hearing it.
And hearing it.
Over, over, and over again.
Pretty soon, I was to the point of slitting the next throat from whence I heard the name "Rick James" uttered. I wanted Dave Chappelle to go die in a hole. I could've cared less. I had only seen an episode or two, but I was so tired of the incessant "Rick James" that I didn't care to give fair judgment.
Meanwhile, back in 2008 - a few months back, a friend asked me what I thought of Chappelle. I hadn't thought about the guy in quite a while, and the majority of my animosity towards him had simmered down.
He sat me down in front of the computer, and we looked up "For What Its Worth" on YouTube. I was thinkin, "who knows, I guess I never really gave the guy a chance (though I don't blame myself)"
Oh man, did I blame myself.
I have never laughed so hard at a human being in my life. EVERY SINGLE JOKE had me rolling on the floor. But not just "OMG ROFLCOPTER" laughter; it was making me think. The guy had a charisma, and a persona that made everything he said FUNNY. I didn't get it before, but when I sat down and watched it, I understood.
Now this is NOT to say that if you sit down and listen to "All Eyez on Me" by Shakur, that you'll have the same change in opinion that I had. But trust me, he's a WHOLE lot better than the songs you mentioned. It's not fun to like something that everyone else likes, I KNOW. But when you get the time to rid yourself of everyone else's bullshit, and just don't care anymore, listen to some of the songs off of that album.
I agree that Shakur is tremendously overrated, but that's really not the guys fault. He never revelled in his success the way, say, LIL WAYNE does (that piece of shit). I have to at least say that Tupac was a talented, intelligent person; I don't think the guy was brilliant as the day is long, but he is a damn good rapper with a distinctive style and flow. Trust me, I have my feelings about the hiphop industry as well. I listen to underground like Weathermen, Aesop Rock, Murs, a little bit of Yak Ballz, etc. AND I LOOOVE that stuff. But I see NO reason to hate Tupac OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT HE IS OVERRATED.
Please let me know what you think...
OR IF ANYONE ELSE ON THIS SITE THINKS DAVE CHAPPELLE IS THE MAN, LIKE I DO!
Dave Chappelle is the man!
Dave Chappelle is the man! You're completely right about all of this stuff. Personally, I think Charlie Murphy's story about Prince is a lot funnier than his Rick James story, but you're right about giving things a chance and seeing if YOU still like them aside from everyone's crazed fanboyism for it. I recently had to sit myself through Halo 1-3 and there actually pretty good. Previously, I had only played some deathmatches at some friend's houseparties.
You should check out George Carlin's stuff on YouTube. That'll make you think and laugh as well.

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Haha, I mean, I DIG the
Haha, I mean, I DIG the Charlie Murphy story. I don't get why people don't quote the Mad Real World that much, or the Three Daves or whatever. SO many good sketches...but I have to say I like his standup more.
Of course I know about Carlin! Haha, I think I've see most of his 13 HBO specials at least once or twice, along with his appearance on Inside the Actor's Studio (which Chappelle was tremendously entertaining on, as well). I'm an enormous fan, in general. I teared up at his passing this year. Probably my favorite comedian of all time.
Very similar to Carlin is Bill Hicks. He's more passionate than Carlin, albeit somewhat less clever and cutting. Sometimes he comes across as a bit pretentious, moreso than Carlin (who did have his moments of pretentious-ness)
But yeah. This principle seems to apply to games in more than a few occasion...I suppose Halo is a good example. I dunno, it'd be sorta like finding out that there are profound themes and meaning in...Madden, or something...hahaha.
Yeah, Dave Chappelle is my
Yeah, Dave Chappelle is my favorite comedian/celebrity/actor ever. And I understand the whole Rick James fad.
Heck, at one point Dave Chappelle left the stage during a stand-up after hearing people shout that shit. They just don't get it.
You're exactly right.
Chappelle told them how stupid they were too. I wanna say that he chastised them, talking about how he defended his reasons for having such relatively deep content in his show to the execs trying to dumb it down for the masses, saying his fans weren't that stupid. Then he was like, "I was wrong; you people are stupid."
What a bunch of dickheads! What kind of senseless douchebaggery can possibly exceed the capacity for senseless douchebaggery that those people must have? Ignorant, close minded, compulsively obedient and naive...It just jerks on my chain, man. I don't expect the masses to have anything remotely resembling a deep appreciation for the few instances of coolness that they'll ever encounter in mainstream culture, but DAMN! Is there nothing pure and cool in this world that these assholes and the like can't ruin? Seriously! It doesn't even have to be pure, and they STILL find a way to destroy anything good about it! And then these same fuckers have the audacity to turn around and say he's a drug addict and a looney. HE'S not the looney. He's the only sane guy in the situation. Halfcocked asshats...
I will never underestimate the ability of stupidity to destroy the things I love.
But yeah, I don't mean to be Mr. Angst or anything, there are just a few topics that get those misanthropic fires in me gut burnin'.
LOLZ
Great list, I live in Manchester and you'd be hung if they found you didn't like oasis. Just kidding. Oh and Noone likes Pete Doherty or Amy Winehouse.
Wow, your a genius
Gotta say, I LOVED this article
Good research and based opinion on this article.
Seriously, good work my friend
If your ever looking for a place for an outlet to rant to the masses
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Infact, I'd like to repost
Infact, I'd like to repost this on my blog cause this is pure just goodness
Full credit to you :)
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Neat.
Sure. Go for it.
well first of all, Drowning
well first of all, Drowning Pool is awesome!!!
I love KISS. I can mention other good sonngs: God of thunder, lick it up, god gave rock and roll to you, crazy nights
I love Green day. It is only a matter of taste if you like greenday or not. Songs that i can mention that are good: Waiting, Basketcase, Time of your life, Warning, American Idiot, St. Jimmy, Boulevard of broken dreams, holiday, when i come around...
As for Aerosmith i only like one song and that is walk this way featuring Run DMC. The song would be better if it wasn't for aerosmith
R.Kelly and Tupac shakur...I always hated them...
My personal opinions on your 10 bands
Dragonforce - Talented composers who got way too lucky for their own egos.
The Eagles - New York Minute is a great song, I can do without the rest of their music.
Sublime - "What I Got" and "Santeria" are great songs, but I HATE the rest of their work.
U2 - Hate their music, but they're still great people.
Aerosmith - Had one great album, but I never listen to it anymore.
Oasis - Tried to get into them, couldn't. "Wonderwall" is the only song by them that I care about.
R. Kelly - Go back to your kiddie porn!
Kiss - I hate those "PARTY HARD" bands. Period.
Green Day - Pretty unoriginal group with not a single memorable track (to me)
Tupac - Just... No.
I'm going back to my own, extremely random set of music, now.
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Incidentally, New York
Incidentally, New York Minute is a Don Henley solo career song. Not The Eagles.
It's funny, usually when musicians go solo from their respective groups it doesn't turn out so well. (Mick Jagger's solo career as an example.) Don Henley is an interesting exception though. I personally think his solo career has produced some better material than The Eagles's.
Tupac
Tupac is not overrated, everyone likes him because he made real music. And the whole thing about him getting shot may have boosted his popularity but he is by no means the most overrated artist of all time.
Everyone likes
Everyone likes him?
Obviously not everyone likes him if I JUST posted about how I consider him vastly overrated. (And there were at least two people who agreed on that.)
"Real Music" is kind of a vague general term, too. If Tupac is REAL MUSIC, then what the heck does that make every other artist? PRETEND Music?
how can you say pac is no 1
how can you say pac is no 1 overated musician,
pac was more than a musician fam
He was an actor(i was watching gang related earlier on)an activist against the elite!
why do you think hes last album was called killuminati(kill illuminati)
no rapper has accomplished what pac has!
no rapper has changed the world like pac has!
It wasnt about the fame n fortune for him!
and you have only listened to three songs and label him no1 overated off all time wtf!
fam the rappers you listed will say pac is a better rapper than them!
plus im from england and were not all rock fans only the rich kids round my way no 1 listens to oasis or blur or that crackhead pete doherty!!
also dont think 2pac is my favourite artist hes not i havent got 1 i enjoy all types off music im just saying he wasnt fake like 99% of rappers today and if you look deeper into his legacy you will find out what pacs true message was instead of the ganster image that the media portrays!
RIP tupac
CHANGED THE WORLD? That's
CHANGED THE WORLD?
That's WAY too big a damn stretch, isn't it? No rapper in general has "changed the world", much less Tupac. It's hard even to suggest that there're many musicians IN GENERAL that changed the world.
I hate cliches like that. Can you tell?
And I don't care that he was an actor too (Though really I use the term actor in the loosest sense possible. He's an actor in the same way that Bruce Willis is also a musician.) I was judging him as a musician.
And you CAN'T say that no rapper has done what Tupac has done unless you know EVERYTHING about the history of hip-hop music and all it's obscurities. I don't, and I'm sure you don't either.
Calm down dude.
Mabye tupac had a big infulence on him and on a lot of people chill man you don't gata put his comment on blast like that.
I AM calm. Why is it that
I AM calm.
Why is it that whenever I try to debate someone on the internet people always think I'm getting testy?
dude i think your getting me
dude i think your getting me wrong, maybe a better way to say it is no rapper has left a mark on the world like pac has!
also about pac being an actor!
its not like he got 2 be an actor because he was a rapper hes been acting from back in the day!
check out juice to see pacs acting ability!(he was a good actor)
to come come down to it yes there are rappers out there that has better wordplay metafores and whatever else!
but there all selling there souls!
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