We don't hit a whole lot of Master System titles but this time around Guru Larry pays tribute to one he feels is one of the greatest titles for the console- Wonder Boy III
No, Larry is right... Zelda is a rpg (a-rpg)
An adventure game is something like maniac mansion, shadowgate (for you console fans), monkey island, sam & max.
And please dont tell me that Zelda has more in common with sam & max than it has with secret of mana !
Submitted by Ralphrius on Tue, 06/10/2008 - 12:59pm.
I beg to differ! Zelda misses the aspect an RPG always has: Experience and level-ups. Well, except Adventure Of Link, but that one's just... meh.
And if you don't agree with that, I can see that. But I say it's an adventure. The games you described aren't adventure games, officially. They're Point-And-Click games. There is a difference.
Submitted by Mudd00000000 on Tue, 06/10/2008 - 2:20pm.
Exp and levels are only an aspect of a RPG as you already have writen. To be an RPG you only need a progressing story line were you play out the game were you assume the role of a fictinal charecter. While adventure games emphizise investigation, exploration, and puzzle-solving. So those Point-And-Click games are in fact Adventure games. And Zelda is a Adventure RPG game.
Submitted by KingRanger on Tue, 06/10/2008 - 8:19pm.
That would make every single game where you play as a character an rpg. Shit man that would make Mario 3 an rpg. It has a progressing story, where you play out the game, where you have assumed the role of a fictional character. Zelda is not an rpg. That is my opinion, yours is that it's not. But please, try and give definitions that don't describe nearly every game as an rpg.
Submitted by Mudd00000000 on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 9:45am.
Well to be honest there are RPG elements in a lot of games. You have to remember what RPG stands for Roll Playing Game. The diffrence between Mario 3 and Zelda is a stylistic view. Where as Mario is a platformer zelda is more at a 3rd person view. Now were I personally make a RPG is how in depht is the story line. In Mario the only story you really get is Bowser kid napped the princes, now go out and save her. While in Zelda they give you a whole back story of the tri-force and other things.
I must say that was a really neat video; I'm quite surprised at myself for actually not knowing of this title being a Genesis owner. It looks like a pretty sweet game and I'm going to keep my eyes open for it.
As always Larry the video was great work so thanks and I look forward to the next!
Submitted by Guru Larry on Tue, 06/10/2008 - 2:22am.
Well the TurboGraphx version is on VC at the moment.
But not sure if the MS version will see the light of day as it's almost the same title. Personally I prefer the MS version, but thats because I grew up on it.
Submitted by SonicSlayer66 on Tue, 06/10/2008 - 6:31am.
Of course its an Rpg. if the character goes on a quest of epic proportions spanning sequels and the gameplay includes upgrading your character and collecting items and such to help you than yeah... its an RPG. i think you need brush up on your stuff a bit. awesome job though larry.
Submitted by Jobocan on Tue, 06/10/2008 - 10:49am.
With that description, any game that isn't a sports game can be considered on RPG >_> You mean Super Mario Bros is an RPG? Well, you upgrade your character and collect items and collecting enough coins helps you, and the quest to save the princess from a giant spiky fire-breathing turtle and passing through a bunch of different landscapes and underground tunnels and various castles defeating clones of said giant turtle, that's pretty epic... It MUST be a RPG.
In the same sense, Zelda isn't really a RPG. The only one in the series that is a RPG is Zelda 2, and that's pushing it. Zelda games are action-adventure games. Having a few RPG elements and powering up isn't enough to make a game a RPG. I mean, i saw some sport games that had RPG elements, but no one in the right mind would call them RPGs.
Oh well, great review Larry. The game does seem like a fun platformer.
Submitted by XavierLee on Tue, 06/10/2008 - 6:48am.
I am not sure how well known this is, but a friend of mine and I were messing around with this game when he received it for his Master System and found a password. Now, being the avid reader that I am, I was pouring through the manual while my friend was playing. In the manual, they give an example of a password as it would appear in the game. Being curious, we tried it but it didn't work. Now, being a bit odd as I am, I told my friend to try it in reverse. And lo and behold it worked! The password unlocks all the forms and leaves you with just the final boss to fight. I wish I could find the manual. My buddy could rattle that password off if ever you asked, even 15 years later.
Submitted by BoboTheMonkey on Tue, 06/10/2008 - 8:49am.
The Master System is shockingly overlooked next to the NES, despite it having fantastic graphics for the time and a sweet collection of games! This game is certainly going on my 'to find' list!
Submitted by Duttroid on Tue, 06/10/2008 - 9:51am.
This game is insanely awesome. There's also a password (I forget exactly what it does) where you type OPEN THE GREN DOOR or something like that with the letters and numbers. I couldn't put this game down, it's almost Super Metroid quality (seriously).
No these games have been known as adventure games for decades, the "point & click" name has started emerging relatively recently because you guys had your genres mixed up and didnt even know what an adventure game was.
Seriously, I've been following the pc scene (THE adventure scene) since the late 80's and the adventure genre IS what you call point & click.
Submitted by Von Richter on Tue, 06/10/2008 - 1:26pm.
Nice vid, but unsupportable comparison to Zelda.
Wonder Boy/Monster World/Adventure Island did not at all originate as a "response" to Zelda, but rather as a pure action series. Wonder Boy 1/Adventure Island (same game/different character) are as actioney as it gets. Ditto with the Monster World arcade game which is a straight ahead shooter.
When Wonder Boy split off from Adventure Island, it slowly started incorporating more adventure elements. Adventure Island did as well, but far less than Wonder Boy.
Monster World finally became straight-up action/adventure/rpg games starting with the Genesis/Megadrive. Unfortunately, none of those games were released stateside.
Submitted by Von Richter on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 4:51pm.
Wonder Boy and Monster World are the same series, with different degrees of relation between each game. Do a quick bit of research before telling me what I do or do not know.
Submitted by Bratty_Twillis on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 12:05pm.
This was one of Sega's better early series. It's a good thing they ditched the original Wonder Boy (since Adventure Island ripped it off!) and went with an all new format. There was a sequel on SMS which was a remake of "Wonder Boy in Monster Land" and also a sequel on the Mega Drive where you play as an Arabian girl and you hatch a little monster that helps you fight.
The guru strikes again!
The guru strikes again! Nice one, Larry! Keep 'em coming!
This is on the Virtual Console
This is on the Wii's Virtual Console under the name "Dragon's Cruse" for the TG16. Buy it. BUY IT NOW!!!!!!!!!
Great info. I think I'm
Great info. I think I'm going to have to give it a whirl.
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I reccomend you play Wonder Boy III over the TurboGraphx version though.
well done
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Defiantly a great game. I
Defiantly a great game. I still have my original copy from when I was a kid and still play through it every once in a while.
It's not an rpg, and neither
It's not an rpg, and neither is zelda. If you want to introduce some one to rpgs, then stick with FFMQ.
???
How exactly are they not RPGs? As it's from a different angle??? as thats your only arguement.
There adventure game people
There adventure game people are getting fairly lose with their Genres.
No, Larry is right... Zelda
No, Larry is right... Zelda is a rpg (a-rpg)
An adventure game is something like maniac mansion, shadowgate (for you console fans), monkey island, sam & max.
And please dont tell me that Zelda has more in common with sam & max than it has with secret of mana !
I beg to differ!
I beg to differ! Zelda misses the aspect an RPG always has: Experience and level-ups. Well, except Adventure Of Link, but that one's just... meh.
And if you don't agree with that, I can see that. But I say it's an adventure. The games you described aren't adventure games, officially. They're Point-And-Click games. There is a difference.
I beg to differ your differ
Exp and levels are only an aspect of a RPG as you already have writen. To be an RPG you only need a progressing story line were you play out the game were you assume the role of a fictinal charecter. While adventure games emphizise investigation, exploration, and puzzle-solving. So those Point-And-Click games are in fact Adventure games. And Zelda is a Adventure RPG game.
That would make every single
That would make every single game where you play as a character an rpg. Shit man that would make Mario 3 an rpg. It has a progressing story, where you play out the game, where you have assumed the role of a fictional character. Zelda is not an rpg. That is my opinion, yours is that it's not. But please, try and give definitions that don't describe nearly every game as an rpg.
your kind of right
Well to be honest there are RPG elements in a lot of games. You have to remember what RPG stands for Roll Playing Game. The diffrence between Mario 3 and Zelda is a stylistic view. Where as Mario is a platformer zelda is more at a 3rd person view. Now were I personally make a RPG is how in depht is the story line. In Mario the only story you really get is Bowser kid napped the princes, now go out and save her. While in Zelda they give you a whole back story of the tri-force and other things.
Erm, you do gain experience
Erm, you do gain experience and level up.
The only difference is you have to buy upgrades and health from defeated enemies/bosses, rather than have it automatically.
And I call it a "Platform RPG" not an RPG.
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Looks like a great game...
But where is Young Nasty Man?
LOL! Tenacious D is the
LOL! Tenacious D is the shit... and so is Guru Larry. GLRC continues to keep pumping out quality vids!
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Great Review Larry!
I must say that was a really neat video; I'm quite surprised at myself for actually not knowing of this title being a Genesis owner. It looks like a pretty sweet game and I'm going to keep my eyes open for it.
As always Larry the video was great work so thanks and I look forward to the next!
So...VC maybe?
I haven't been keeping up with Virutal Console as of late but do you think there's any chance it may pop on there?
VC
Well the TurboGraphx version is on VC at the moment.
But not sure if the MS version will see the light of day as it's almost the same title. Personally I prefer the MS version, but thats because I grew up on it.
Informative
I love how GLRC is both entertaining and informative. I love hearing about the history of games, even ones I've never played.
I own this game for my
I own this game for my Master System, and yes it is a masterpiece. In fact it's the only game on my Master System that I like.
Master System greatness
Man I loved the Master System back in the day. I feel like the Master System is one of the most under rated consoles of all time.
Of course its an Rpg. if the
Of course its an Rpg. if the character goes on a quest of epic proportions spanning sequels and the gameplay includes upgrading your character and collecting items and such to help you than yeah... its an RPG. i think you need brush up on your stuff a bit. awesome job though larry.
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hmmm...
With that description, any game that isn't a sports game can be considered on RPG >_> You mean Super Mario Bros is an RPG? Well, you upgrade your character and collect items and collecting enough coins helps you, and the quest to save the princess from a giant spiky fire-breathing turtle and passing through a bunch of different landscapes and underground tunnels and various castles defeating clones of said giant turtle, that's pretty epic... It MUST be a RPG.
In the same sense, Zelda isn't really a RPG. The only one in the series that is a RPG is Zelda 2, and that's pushing it. Zelda games are action-adventure games. Having a few RPG elements and powering up isn't enough to make a game a RPG. I mean, i saw some sport games that had RPG elements, but no one in the right mind would call them RPGs.
Oh well, great review Larry. The game does seem like a fun platformer.
weird
i never heard of this game in the brazilian version,maybe because it suck balls. but the original game was good
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Kinda like our Super Mario
Kinda like our Super Mario Bros. 2
Kickass review as always
I got the Turbo Graphix Version for my vurtual console and it IS Pretty badass, will have to sit down sometime and complete it.
Another fun cheat for the game
I am not sure how well known this is, but a friend of mine and I were messing around with this game when he received it for his Master System and found a password. Now, being the avid reader that I am, I was pouring through the manual while my friend was playing. In the manual, they give an example of a password as it would appear in the game. Being curious, we tried it but it didn't work. Now, being a bit odd as I am, I told my friend to try it in reverse. And lo and behold it worked! The password unlocks all the forms and leaves you with just the final boss to fight. I wish I could find the manual. My buddy could rattle that password off if ever you asked, even 15 years later.
this is not an RPG, neither
this is not an RPG, neither is zelda, 'action adventure' is a much more apt term. Unless you want to call metroid an rpg series too.
Guru Larry FTW!!!
The Master System is shockingly overlooked next to the NES, despite it having fantastic graphics for the time and a sweet collection of games! This game is certainly going on my 'to find' list!
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Wonder Boy 3...
Not a bad review, it makes me miss the master system...Even though I never really played it, it still brings back the memories.
Awesome
This game is insanely awesome. There's also a password (I forget exactly what it does) where you type OPEN THE GREN DOOR or something like that with the letters and numbers. I couldn't put this game down, it's almost Super Metroid quality (seriously).
Great video Larry. Nice
Great video Larry.
Nice work.
Slice his throat!
Grab his 'scrote! lolz. Great review Larry!
awsome
super awsome
No these games have been
No these games have been known as adventure games for decades, the "point & click" name has started emerging relatively recently because you guys had your genres mixed up and didnt even know what an adventure game was.
Seriously, I've been following the pc scene (THE adventure scene) since the late 80's and the adventure genre IS what you call point & click.
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Nice vid, but unsupportable comparison to Zelda.
Wonder Boy/Monster World/Adventure Island did not at all originate as a "response" to Zelda, but rather as a pure action series. Wonder Boy 1/Adventure Island (same game/different character) are as actioney as it gets. Ditto with the Monster World arcade game which is a straight ahead shooter.
When Wonder Boy split off from Adventure Island, it slowly started incorporating more adventure elements. Adventure Island did as well, but far less than Wonder Boy.
Monster World finally became straight-up action/adventure/rpg games starting with the Genesis/Megadrive. Unfortunately, none of those games were released stateside.
Additionally, Zelda 1 was
Additionally, Zelda 1 was released AFTER Adventure Island/Wonder Boy.
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Its quite obvious that you have no clue what you're talking about.
Wonder Boy and Monster World are two completly seperate titles.
uh...
Wonder Boy and Monster World are the same series, with different degrees of relation between each game. Do a quick bit of research before telling me what I do or do not know.
You can start with wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Boy_%28Arcade%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Boy
Yeah but Larry didnt mention
Yeah but Larry didnt mention wonder boy\adventure island for a reason. What he means is that the series changed direction as a response to Zelda.
looks awsome ill check it
looks awsome ill check it out on the vc
Thirty Ninth!
As far as I'm concerned, it's battle between Larry and Destin for who kicks more ass on ScrewAttack. Both bring the funny as well as the smartening.
Are we placing bets?
Because my money's on Larry-Boy...
Anyhoo, another great Retro Corner...
...ah those were the days....when Sega was always on the heels of Nintendo....where did the time go?....
Wonder boy = win.
I remember having it on the game gear it was one of the only games i played it was so fun yet i never finished it X_X.
Nice
Very nice one. Keep em coming!!
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Monster Land is a great series.
This was one of Sega's better early series. It's a good thing they ditched the original Wonder Boy (since Adventure Island ripped it off!) and went with an all new format. There was a sequel on SMS which was a remake of "Wonder Boy in Monster Land" and also a sequel on the Mega Drive where you play as an Arabian girl and you hatch a little monster that helps you fight.
Oh,
Oh, it wasn't ripped off dude, Westons just sold the game to Hudsonsoft, but couldn't sell the character also as Sega owned the name.
Good Job Guru Larry
I love all these GLRC's please make more Guru. This is a good look on a good series of games ^_^
I still have this game on my
I still have this game on my SMS and this review
pure greatness